NOKINA and Olympia cameras swindlers

[MarkG]

Rant Begin:-

I'm a bit of a kean photographer, so I like to browse through
the photography section of ebay on a frequent basis. I very often come
across NOKINA and Olympia cameras being auctioned with BIN prices
sometimes in the region of £60 or more pounds. These cameras are being
described as "Professional" with "DELUXE Flash" and "New Japanese Lens"
with RRP sometimes in the region of £200, and a whole load of other
bogus features. One auction even describes these cameras as being used
by professionals and newspaper photographers.

If anyone does not know what a NOKINA or Olympia cameras is (they are
in fact the same camera), they are cheap and nasty moulded plastic crap
toy cameras, made to look to the ontrained eye like expensive SLR
cameras, and come with names similar to top brand products. Some
auctions even describe them as real SLR.

I cannot believe people are getting away with auctioning this shit, and
still have high feed back ratings. If I paid that amount of money, on
the promise of a professional camera, and received that piece of crap,
then my feedback would be very negative indeed, with complaints to ebay
about the seller.

I really wish there was a good way to warn people about these pieces of
shit.

Rant End.

[Rob Morley]

In article <***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
***@tiscali.co.uk says...
<snip>

Post by MarkG
I cannot believe people are getting away with auctioning this shit, and
still have high feed back ratings. If I paid that amount of money, on
the promise of a professional camera, and received that piece of crap,
then my feedback would be very negative indeed, with complaints to ebay
about the seller.
I really wish there was a good way to warn people about these pieces of
shit.

You could try getting Trading Standards interested ...

[Lord Edam de Fromage]

Post by MarkG
Rant Begin:-
I'm a bit of a kean photographer, so I like to browse through
the photography section of ebay on a frequent basis. I very often come
across NOKINA and Olympia cameras being auctioned with BIN prices
sometimes in the region of £60 or more pounds.

A completed items search shows they normally sell for £10 to £20, if
they even sell at all. Apart from one or two buy-it-now sales at £30.

Listing them as digital is misleading though.

Post by MarkG
I cannot believe people are getting away with auctioning this shit, and
still have high feed back ratings. If I paid that amount of money, on
the promise of a professional camera, and received that piece of crap,
then my feedback would be very negative indeed, with complaints to ebay
about the seller.

I think the buyers in this case aren't as stupid as you think they are.

£30 for a camera that looks professional but is really just a toy is
great value if you have a small child who's just hit their paparazzi
phase.

[Amanda Angelika]

Post by MarkG
Rant Begin:-
I'm a bit of a kean photographer, so I like to browse through
the photography section of ebay on a frequent basis. I very often
come across NOKINA and Olympia cameras being auctioned with BIN prices
sometimes in the region of £60 or more pounds. These cameras are being
described as "Professional" with "DELUXE Flash" and "New Japanese
Lens" with RRP sometimes in the region of £200, and a whole load of
other bogus features. One auction even describes these cameras as
being used by professionals and newspaper photographers.
If anyone does not know what a NOKINA or Olympia cameras is (they are
in fact the same camera), they are cheap and nasty moulded plastic
crap toy cameras, made to look to the ontrained eye like expensive SLR
cameras, and come with names similar to top brand products. Some
auctions even describe them as real SLR.
I cannot believe people are getting away with auctioning this shit,
and still have high feed back ratings. If I paid that amount of
money, on the promise of a professional camera, and received that
piece of crap, then my feedback would be very negative indeed, with
complaints to ebay about the seller.
I really wish there was a good way to warn people about these pieces
of shit.
Rant End.

Well if it's any consolation (looking at the completed listings) most of
them that do sell seem to be going for less than £5, which is probably about
right for a toy (though I think one would prefer a free film thrown in at
that price) and most of them remain unsold particularly the over priced ones
which means the only people making any real money out of these rubbish
cameras is eBay. So the real losers are the failed would be con-men trying
to sell these shite cameras, one born everyday. LOL

[Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com]

Post by MarkG
Rant Begin:-

[SNIP]

Post by MarkG
If anyone does not know what a NOKINA or Olympia cameras is (they are
in fact the same camera), they are cheap and nasty moulded plastic
crap toy cameras, made to look to the ontrained eye like expensive SLR
cameras, and come with names similar to top brand products. Some
auctions even describe them as real SLR.

[SNIP]

I particularly like the description in # 7545820976

" Color viewfinder "

Considering the viewfinder is an optical one then you would expect it to
be!!

[andy]

Post by Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com
I particularly like the description in # 7545820976
" Color viewfinder "
Considering the viewfinder is an optical one then you would expect it to
be!!

Unless the buyer has no colour vision, in which case the description would
be a bit insensitive ;-)

[Scudo]

and a postage cost of £15!

Post by andy

Post by Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com
I particularly like the description in # 7545820976
" Color viewfinder "
Considering the viewfinder is an optical one then you would expect it to
be!!

Unless the buyer has no colour vision, in which case the description would
be a bit insensitive ;-)

[Father Mebalza Ritchie]

I find this one quite amusing!

Would YOU buy photographic equipment from someone if that's the best quality
picture they can come up with!! :-)

[Timfy]

"MarkG" <***@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...

Rant Begin:-

I'm a bit of a kean photographer, so I like to browse through
the photography section of ebay on a frequent basis. I very often come
across NOKINA and Olympia cameras being auctioned with BIN prices
sometimes in the region of £60 or more pounds. These cameras are being
described as "Professional" with "DELUXE Flash" and "New Japanese Lens"
with RRP sometimes in the region of £200, and a whole load of other
bogus features. One auction even describes these cameras as being used
by professionals and newspaper photographers.

If anyone does not know what a NOKINA or Olympia cameras is (they are
in fact the same camera), they are cheap and nasty moulded plastic crap
toy cameras, made to look to the ontrained eye like expensive SLR
cameras, and come with names similar to top brand products. Some
auctions even describe them as real SLR.

I cannot believe people are getting away with auctioning this shit, and
still have high feed back ratings. If I paid that amount of money, on
the promise of a professional camera, and received that piece of crap,
then my feedback would be very negative indeed, with complaints to ebay
about the seller.

I really wish there was a good way to warn people about these pieces of
shit.

Rant End.

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I picked one up for a couple of quid at a boot sale. The semi rigid case was
excellent, a perfect fit for my Nikon, and the flash worked a treat with my
old Zenith SLR.

My grandaughter loves the camera (she's nearly 5) which has a motor wind
(that sometimes even works!) and looks like grandads camera, takes better
pics than those rather more expensive action man and barbie cameras too!

Only a pillock would consider for a second that they were real "big name"
cameras, but they are great for nippers and if you can pick up the Olympia
version for a few bob, the camera case is worth the money alone!

The other thing that they could be usefull for is buying, dropping and then
claiming £200 from your insurance company (as stated on the packaging)!

[MarkG]

If you know what you are buying, pay only a few quid for them, they are
of course perfect for children, because it gives them the impression of
using a "grown up" camera.

I've checked out a few of the auctions now, and some of them are being
sold by people who bought them on ebay believing they were buying a
digital SLR bargain, only to be duped.

Check out item no. 7546152953. It has a BIN of £90, and RRP of £245,
and the seller is deliberately misleading by saying it's a digital
camera. I've actualy sent the arsehole a question on how many
megapixals the camera has. I wonder if he will tell me the truth.

[Mike Redrobe]

Post by MarkG
If you know what you are buying, pay only a few quid for them, they
are of course perfect for children, because it gives them the
impression of using a "grown up" camera.
I've checked out a few of the auctions now, and some of them are
being sold by people who bought them on ebay believing they were
buying a digital SLR bargain, only to be duped.
Check out item no. 7546152953.

It says 35mm in BOTH the title AND description ...

Its also in the "film camera" section of ebay.
In fact, all the olympia cameras are in the film section.

Post by MarkG
and the seller is deliberately misleading by saying it's a digital
camera.

Not really, it says digital zoom on the box, chances are
he just missed out the word zoom

[MarkG]

Here is the complete description :-

Olympia nk 5050 This olympia nk 5050 35mm digital camera is brand new
boxed, enclose is carry case and strap, batteries, remote control and a
manual. it works perfect as it's been tested you can either collect
your item in person or by postage with a cost of 8 pounds. payment
method: pay-pal or cash on collection GREAT BARGAIN Retail price: 245
pounds Function display panel Red eye reduction mode & flash off Remote
control mode fill in flash Red-eye reduction mode & fill in flash
Self-timer mode & fill in flash Remote control mode & flash off
Self-timer mode & flash off Red-eye reduction mode &auto flash mode
Self-timer mode &auto flash mode Remote control mode & auto flash mode


Now, you and read it any way you like, but to me, the seller is
quite deliberate by saying "Digital Camera" and believe me, people ARE
fooled into believing it.

[Mike Redrobe]

Post by MarkG
Here is the complete description :-
Olympia nk 5050 This olympia nk 5050 35mm digital camera is brand new
enclose is carry case and strap, batteries, remote control and a
manual

<snip>

Post by MarkG
Now, you and read it any way you like, but to me, the seller is
quite deliberate by saying "Digital Camera" and believe me, people ARE
fooled into believing it.

Seen any 35mm digital cameras lately?

Everyone knows 35mm = film, this is mentioned in the title,
and its even in the film camera section of ebay.

If he'd put digital camera in the title, I'd agree with you, but he hasn't.

--
Mike

[Kim Andrews]

Post by Rob Morley

Post by MarkG
Here is the complete description :-
Olympia nk 5050 This olympia nk 5050 35mm digital camera is brand new
enclose is carry case and strap, batteries, remote control and a
manual

<snip>

Post by MarkG
Now, you and read it any way you like, but to me, the seller is
quite deliberate by saying "Digital Camera" and believe me, people ARE
fooled into believing it.

Seen any 35mm digital cameras lately?
Everyone knows 35mm = film, this is mentioned in the title,
and its even in the film camera section of ebay.
If he'd put digital camera in the title, I'd agree with you, but he hasn't.

It reads more like stupidity than malice, to me. But the final view
might depend on what else he's sold/selling I guess.

[Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com]

Post by Mike Redrobe
Not really, it says digital zoom on the box, chances are
he just missed out the word zoom

How does a film camera have a 'digital zoom' then?

[Sam Lowry]

On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 18:27:32 +0100, Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com

Post by Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com

Post by Mike Redrobe
Not really, it says digital zoom on the box, chances are
he just missed out the word zoom

How does a film camera have a 'digital zoom' then?

Never seen one, but I would guess it is a miss-translation of electronic
(ie powered) zoom.

-SL

[Steve Walker]

Post by Darren Griffin - PocketGPSWorld.Com

Post by Mike Redrobe
Not really, it says digital zoom on the box, chances are
he just missed out the word zoom

How does a film camera have a 'digital zoom' then?

because the zoom is indicated by a digital display on the top of the body...

[John]

Post by MarkG
If you know what you are buying, pay only a few quid for them, they are
of course perfect for children, because it gives them the impression of
using a "grown up" camera.
I've checked out a few of the auctions now, and some of them are being
sold by people who bought them on ebay believing they were buying a
digital SLR bargain, only to be duped.
Check out item no. 7546152953. It has a BIN of £90, and RRP of £245,
and the seller is deliberately misleading by saying it's a digital
camera. I've actualy sent the arsehole a question on how many
megapixals the camera has. I wonder if he will tell me the truth.

I'm less bothered by the camera and its specs (an item notorious with
trading standards depts across the UK), than with the fact that so
many vendors of dodgy items (and there are lots) show such
inexplicably huge and impressive feedback rates. It defies credence
they can have so many satisfied customers for a dodgy product. Which
speaks volumes about the whole eBay feedback system, which actually
gives credence to such sellers - to the uninitiated, at least.

John

[MarkG]

You are very right, but from what I see, its only too easy. Number 1
is to setup multiple accounts. Its not that difficult, some marketing
companies who want you to sign up to ebay will even show you how. They
put up for auction some stuff that nobody would ever want, and bid for
them themselves, then leave feedback. Method number two it seems, and
I can clearly see this by looking through all the sellers of the most
of the dodgy stuff, is to buy lots of junk at dirt cheap prices, then
reap the feedback. Most people I doubt actually look through the
feedback to see WHAT was bought or sold. I do now, as a matter of
course.

[John]

Post by MarkG
You are very right, but from what I see, its only too easy. Number 1
is to setup multiple accounts. Its not that difficult, some marketing
companies who want you to sign up to ebay will even show you how. They
put up for auction some stuff that nobody would ever want, and bid for
them themselves, then leave feedback. Method number two it seems, and
I can clearly see this by looking through all the sellers of the most
of the dodgy stuff, is to buy lots of junk at dirt cheap prices, then
reap the feedback. Most people I doubt actually look through the
feedback to see WHAT was bought or sold. I do now, as a matter of
course.

How many people here use eNayNeg I wonder? I have the Firefox
extension, which I recommend - wouldn't bid on eBay without it. Such
is my cynicism about eBay feedback, I'm concerned with anyone whose
positive feedback falls below about 97% - depending on how much total
feedback they have, of course, and the reasons given. The actual
language used often says a lot - habitually abusive sellers get no
bids from me. To be fair, I check out those leaving the feedback too
- only takes a few seconds overall. A great pity this kind of
information isn't available directly within eBay, rather than going to
third party software.

Now if there was just a way of permanently blacklisting anyone on eBay
we don't want to buy from, so we don't have to go looking again and
again at sellers we don't want to see... unless someone here knows a
way...

John

[Amanda Angelika]

Mind talking about people either not knowing what they are selling, or
pretending to be a bit thick when it comes to photography here's a confusing
one 7547083578

As far as I can ascertain from elsewhere on the Net it's a digital camera
made to look like a Leica, but you wouldn't get that impression from where
it's listed, although it's proportions do make it look like it just came out
of a Christmas Cracker, so it should be obvious it isn't a 35mm rangefinder
camera, and I don't think he's actually trying to con anyone since that BIN
price seems about right for a novelty digital camera such as this. But it
just shows how confusing and misleading some photography listings can be.

Of course I'm wondering if anyone would like to ask the seller if it squirts
water LOL
--
Amanda



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Post by Amanda Angelika
Mind talking about people either not knowing what they are selling, or
pretending to be a bit thick when it comes to photography here's a confusing
one 7547083578
As far as I can ascertain from elsewhere on the Net it's a digital camera
made to look like a Leica, but you wouldn't get that impression from where
it's listed, although it's proportions do make it look like it just came out
of a Christmas Cracker, so it should be obvious it isn't a 35mm rangefinder
camera, and I don't think he's actually trying to con anyone since that BIN
price seems about right for a novelty digital camera such as this. But it
just shows how confusing and misleading some photography listings can be.

It is a Minox film camera, doing a small copy of a 1930s Leica, it uses
Minox 11x8 film.
It isnt a novelty, Minox make some excellent miniature cameras.
Alan.

[Amanda Angelika]

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Post by Amanda Angelika
Mind talking about people either not knowing what they are selling,
or pretending to be a bit thick when it comes to photography here's
a confusing one 7547083578
As far as I can ascertain from elsewhere on the Net it's a digital
camera made to look like a Leica, but you wouldn't get that
impression from where it's listed, although it's proportions do make
it look like it just came out of a Christmas Cracker, so it should
be obvious it isn't a 35mm rangefinder camera, and I don't think
he's actually trying to con anyone since that BIN price seems about
right for a novelty digital camera such as this. But it just shows
how confusing and misleading some photography listings can be.

It is a Minox film camera, doing a small copy of a 1930s Leica, it
uses Minox 11x8 film.
It isnt a novelty, Minox make some excellent miniature cameras.
Alan.

Yes I ascertained it was something like the Minox Leica M4 copy though it's
still a confusing listing it says nothing about the nature of the camera and
is in the 35mm rangefinder category. I worked out the "film" plane must be
about 11mm x 8mm because it has a standard lens of 15mm and standard lenses
on all film format cameras are invariably based on the diagonal measurement
of the film plane give or take a few millimetres :)

I agree Minox do make nice Cameras, it's quite cute, still looks like it
should squirt water though LOL